HR as the White Swan: Season 4, A Podcast Series from Madison

Hosted by Elliot Clark, CEO of HRO Today, and featuring Judd Weisgal, Senior Vice President of Madison, this series provides HR teams with the tools to navigate the current "Black Swan" event and serve as the "White Swan" leaders who turn negative energy to positive.


Each podcast is a quick-listen and only a few minutes long, while focusing on a single question relevant to today's workplace and specifically managing through today's workforce environment. Season 3 will focus on the 'Building a Business Case for an impactful R&R Program'.


Beginning March 18, 2021 and continuing each Thursday after, both HRO Today and Madison will publish a new installment of the fourth season of White Swan until the letters W-H-I-T-E S-W-A-N are spelled by the nine podcasts.


Below are the published podcasts in the series:

  • Podcast 1 (W): Worthwhile program for your business (3/28/2021)

  • Podcast 2 (H): Health and wellness of your employees is a compelling argument to include in your business case for an R&R program (3/25/2021)

  • Podcast 3 (I): Impress the importance of full inclusivity (4/1/2021)

  • Podcast 4 (T): Training, integration and implementation ease are key for stakeholder support (4/8/2021)

  • Podcast 5 (E): Effective management and communications: Your R&R program needs its own champion (4/15/2021)

  • Podcast 6 (S): Sell your R&R program with a memorable kick-off (4/29/2021)

  • Podcast 7 (W): Weighing the cost and effort: Revisiting the numbers and measuring effectiveness of your R&R program (5/6/2021)

  • Podcast 8 (A): Advancing and evolving your program (5/13/2021)

  • Podcast 9 (N): Navigating the future (5/20/2021)

To listen to previous seasons of White Swan, visit:

  1. White Swan Season 1 Landing Page

  2. White Swan Season 2 Landing Page

  3. White Swan Season 3 Landing Page